A life well-lived that enriched the whole of Scotland Tom Shields on Bob Crampsey THERE IS AN UNWRITTEN RULE in the Sunday
Herald that we don't do obituaries. So what follows is not an obit but a personal appreciation of Robert Anthony Crampsey, teacher, writer, and broadcaster.
I apologise in advance if some of this comes across pretentiously as Bob Crampsey: My Part In His Life. It is about the part that Bob Crampsey played in other people's lives.
Like many thousands of west of Scotland schoolchildren, I was lucky enough to have Mr Crampsey as a teacher.
He arrived at Bellarmine school in Pollok in 1962 as principal of history.
Bellarmine was then a vast comprehensive, only two years old and very much a work in progress, which is a polite way of saying that the place verged on the chaotic and much of the teaching was haphazard. This was long before Bellarmine became well-known as a centre of excellence for music.
The arrival of Mr Crampsey at this undistinguished educational establishment was something of an event. Although still in his early 30s, Crampsey had become well-known through his other job as football commentator and polemicist (he was never merely a pundit) on Scotsport on the telly.
There was more than a hint of the John F Kennedy (not just the hairstyle, also the energy and something in the demeanour) in the young Crampsey. It soon became evident that it was not just image and the new history teacher was a man of some substance.
He was inspirational, imparting a love of knowledge to those pupils open to his enthusiasm for learning. He had a teaching style that was more university lecture than school lesson.
He treated his pupils like adults and expected them to behave as such.
In a school where so many of the figures of authority spent so much time as thought police, the history class was a place of serious learning.
Pupils who had Crampsey as an RE teacher reported that he was more conversational, where a discussion of St Joseph the Worker might end up with details of the cost of a sten gun during the second world war (two shillings and eight pence, apparently).
As a young Buffer, the highlight of my week was getting to write a history essay. Real people, real events, war, intrigue: so much more interesting than all that literature stuff in the English class.
I would research the subject beyond the bounds of reason, put my life and soul into the writing, and (even in those days) introduce some juvenile humour into a serious topic.
I would eagerly await Mr Crampsey's comments, penned in neat Bic fine ballpoint red ink. One treasured (but ignored) piece of advice in the margin was: "Leave the jokes to PG Wodehouse and JD Salinger."
Mr Crampsey's main educational tool was encouragement, but he could be strict. He made me write the word Catholicism 50 times after I had rendered it as Catholisism in one of my essays.
Unlike some teachers who thrust religion down the throat, he seemed to leave the faith as a matter for the individual. He did insist, however, that you knew how to spell it.
One classmate suffered a more severe punishment; two of the belt for submitting an essay on the policies of Charles II which consisted of one paragraph postulating that the restoration monarch might have done better had he not "spent all his money having parties in his castles".
Mr Crampsey may have been Brain of Britain (and a future semi-finalist on Mastermind) but he took it quite well when the young Buffer raised a hand to interrupt a lesson and point out it had been Hindenburg and not Bismarck who had been involved in some bit of German history (sadly, I do not have the Crampsey recall to furnish the exact details).
An important aspect of the Crampsey modus operandum was to advocate diversity in our young lives. Embrace cricket as well as football.
The man himself was a paradigm of range and versatility.
It was not until I met him later as a journalist that I realised the sheer spread of information and expertise contained within the Crampsey cranium.
He was biographer of Jock Stein and Sir Thomas Lipton. He also wrote travel books. Ever in pursuit of projects, he noticed that a London publisher had a series of books on islands. He offered to contribute his expertise on the Isle of Bute.
The publisher said Bute had already been allocated, but would he like to have a crack at Puerto Rico. Various tomes on Caribbean and other Hispanic locations followed.
Mr Crampsey wrote a novel and at least two plays as well as pursuing a career as a TV and radio commentator and author of countless articles in the public prints.
His work ethic was impressive. Even in his 70s, when you might reasonably think he had done his shift and might be at home playing his beloved piano, you would find him late of an evening in the Herald library researching some minute detail of a Scottish Junior football cup final for his Now You Know column in the Evening Times.
So, how did he fit in all this as well as a full-time career as teacher and headmaster? There was the aforementioned work ethic. The photographic memory and the power of concentration also helped.
But I think the answer is that there were two of him. At the moving mass of thanksgiving at Holy Cross Church on Friday, much of the talk was about a bloke called Bert.
Robert Anthony Crampsey was known to his family and friends as Bert.
He was known to generations of sports fans as Bob, the cerebral communicator with the common touch who would delight with comparisons between a footballer's speed and coastal erosion.
To all his pupils he remains Mr Crampsey. So there were really three of him.
At the Holy Cross service, Bishop Mone, a friend from childhood, revealed a trait in the Crampsey character which makes the man all the more admirable. It was his attitude to DIY. Whenever his wife or one of his four daughters asked him to perform a simple piece of household maintenance, he would say: "Do it yourself".
His son-in-law Stevie recalled being asked by Bob (or it may have been Bert) if he knew what a googly was. The Crampsey daughter defended her man's lack of cricketing knowledge by interjecting: "Dad, do you know what a Phillips screwdriver is?"
In his eulogy, Stevie described his father-in-law as "Google before there was Google, Wikipedia before there was Wikipedia".
Ask anyone who has met Mr Crampsey and they will tell you he was easy to talk to and very, very easy to listen to.
Another thing I heard about Bob was that he was offered a job with the Tonight programme many years ago. Had he accepted, he most likely would have become a UK television celebrity.
But he declined to uproot his wife and daughters. He chose family. He chose his own rich and rewarding life.
Thankfully for this wonderful wee country of ours, he chose Scotland.
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Posted by: Scotsgait, www.scotsgait.co.uk on 11:14pm Sat 2 Aug 08
[quote]"Google before there was Google, Wikipedia before there was Wikipedia".[/quote]
A tribute which says it all.
We lost Bob one day and the next we heard Luggy is suffering from Parkinson's too. Both are in our thoughts.
"Google before there was Google, Wikipedia before there was Wikipedia".
A tribute which says it all.
We lost Bob one day and the next we heard Luggy is suffering from Parkinson's too. Both are in our thoughts.
Posted by: Wilhelm on 11:26pm Sat 2 Aug 08
The blanked out phrase was the masses are assess
The blanked out phrase was the masses are assess
Posted by: TLJ on 11:32pm Sat 2 Aug 08
[quote]Football is the sport for neds, Irish navies, painters, decoraters and plasterers, watching it down the boozer and then going home to beat the wife and vomit all over the dog.[/quote]
It was also the sport of a Brain of Britain winner.
Don't tarnish the memory of one the best, if not THE best, sport writers and commentators by comparing him with those he would condemn.
Football is the sport for neds, Irish navies, painters, decoraters and plasterers, watching it down the boozer and then going home to beat the wife and vomit all over the dog.
It was also the sport of a Brain of Britain winner.
Don't tarnish the memory of one the best, if not THE best, sport writers and commentators by comparing him with those he would condemn.
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 11:33pm Sat 2 Aug 08
Mein Gott ! I agree with Wullie !
But not really, Bob Crampsey was a survivor of another age, when football was a working man's game ( my dad has told me so it must be true).
What passes for football now, is not what it was then.
Mein Gott ! I agree with Wullie !
But not really, Bob Crampsey was a survivor of another age, when football was a working man's game ( my dad has told me so it must be true).
What passes for football now, is not what it was then.
Posted by: Wilhelm on 12:09am Sun 3 Aug 08
TLC
Lets be brutaly honest, football is a load of old codswallop. Its a game for 10 year old bairns and autistic men who havent grown up and joined the real world and dont do the Nuremberg defence of '' football violence has not got anything to do with the ordinary football fans'' Yeah, we have heard it all before. It didnt work in Nuremberg and it wont work now,son.
TLC
Lets be brutaly honest, football is a load of old codswallop. Its a game for 10 year old bairns and autistic men who havent grown up and joined the real world and dont do the Nuremberg defence of '' football violence has not got anything to do with the ordinary football fans'' Yeah, we have heard it all before. It didnt work in Nuremberg and it wont work now,son.
Posted by: Joe90, Outthere on 12:15am Sun 3 Aug 08
Like Tom Shields, I was brought up in Pollok but I was taught geography by Bob Crampsey at Holyrood in the late fifties. I am pleased to report that I actually gained my lower level geography which says something about his teaching. One of the geography periods was on a Monday and it was always easy to veer Bob Crampsey away from the boredom of geography to the excitement of the previous Saturday's game (Celtic, of course)although we were all convinced that, secretly, he actually supported 'the other team'!
In 1965 I was serving in the office of the British Chargé d'Affaires in Peking (these were in the days before full diplomatic relations and only a few months before the Red Guards infamously sacked the office, abusing the staff in a most undiplomatic fashion). I had occasion to visit the office one day out of normal office hours and the UK based security officer was listening to the Brain of Britain quiz on the BBC Overseas Service. Imagine my surprise when it was announced that my former geography teacher had just won the competition for that year. It made me very proud.
Like Tom Shields, I was brought up in Pollok but I was taught geography by Bob Crampsey at Holyrood in the late fifties. I am pleased to report that I actually gained my lower level geography which says something about his teaching. One of the geography periods was on a Monday and it was always easy to veer Bob Crampsey away from the boredom of geography to the excitement of the previous Saturday's game (Celtic, of course)although we were all convinced that, secretly, he actually supported 'the other team'!
In 1965 I was serving in the office of the British Chargé d'Affaires in Peking (these were in the days before full diplomatic relations and only a few months before the Red Guards infamously sacked the office, abusing the staff in a most undiplomatic fashion). I had occasion to visit the office one day out of normal office hours and the UK based security officer was listening to the Brain of Britain quiz on the BBC Overseas Service. Imagine my surprise when it was announced that my former geography teacher had just won the competition for that year. It made me very proud.
Posted by: paul spencer, Glasgow on 12:23am Sun 3 Aug 08
Tom
I like you know what an influence a teacher can have on someones life, and your moving tribute to Bob Crampsey, shows the man's humanity as well as the mega brain that he had. So he wasnt perfect obviously the right side was better than the left, or was it vice versa, well I'm sure Bob would have said go and research it.
Im shocked at Kaiser Bill and his ilk, talking about a game of soccer and Bob Crampsey in the same vein, this wasa man who could illuminate a diversity of subjects, with whit, humanity and wonderful elucidation (sic poss)
Tom
I like you know what an influence a teacher can have on someones life, and your moving tribute to Bob Crampsey, shows the man's humanity as well as the mega brain that he had. So he wasnt perfect obviously the right side was better than the left, or was it vice versa, well I'm sure Bob would have said go and research it.
Im shocked at Kaiser Bill and his ilk, talking about a game of soccer and Bob Crampsey in the same vein, this wasa man who could illuminate a diversity of subjects, with whit, humanity and wonderful elucidation (sic poss)
Posted by: Sandy, Edinburgh on 12:34am Sun 3 Aug 08
Wilhelm
The story was about Bob Crampsey a wonderful warm and intelligent man by all accounts.
Whereas as you come across as well no Bob Crampsey.
Wilhelm
The story was about Bob Crampsey a wonderful warm and intelligent man by all accounts.
Whereas as you come across as well no Bob Crampsey.
Posted by: Aghastathecheekofoth
ers, Shockland on 12:40am Sun 3 Aug 08
Wilhelm,
the psots on tis thread are about the intelligence, integrity and insight of Bob Crampsey the man, the teacher ands the pundit. why are you so simplistic and insulting in your comments. You don't have the mans capacity for understanding or tolerance of misunderstanding in others. You are simply an obnoxious, self-righteous, opinionated GIT. SO, go away sad person. Bob Crampsey was admired and loved by many, many people for his own qualities not just football.
You are one sick, twisted individual.
Wilhelm,
the psots on tis thread are about the intelligence, integrity and insight of Bob Crampsey the man, the teacher ands the pundit. why are you so simplistic and insulting in your comments. You don't have the mans capacity for understanding or tolerance of misunderstanding in others. You are simply an obnoxious, self-righteous, opinionated GIT. SO, go away sad person. Bob Crampsey was admired and loved by many, many people for his own qualities not just football.
You are one sick, twisted individual.
Posted by: Wilhelm on 12:51am Sun 3 Aug 08
Yeah , watching rangers and celtic playing each other 67 times in the same season, Aye, its riveting stuff.
Yeah , watching rangers and celtic playing each other 67 times in the same season, Aye, its riveting stuff.
Posted by: Paul Spencer, Glasgow on 1:07am Sun 3 Aug 08
Willie bhoy
How about commenting, quoting Bob's writing and finding fault, or indeed about Tom's article, rather than giving us your garbage..... not stop that, how about giving us your manifesto about whats wrong rather than innuendo and oblique commentary, Give us the world according to Willie, it might give us aomething to itellectually comment upon rather than your tourettes like brain power!!
Willie bhoy
How about commenting, quoting Bob's writing and finding fault, or indeed about Tom's article, rather than giving us your garbage..... not stop that, how about giving us your manifesto about whats wrong rather than innuendo and oblique commentary, Give us the world according to Willie, it might give us aomething to itellectually comment upon rather than your tourettes like brain power!!
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 1:11am Sun 3 Aug 08
To be fair to Wullie, most people who have no knowledge of Bob Crampsey (like me) attach his name to football.
Football and the old firm is hardly a glowing testimonial to the best our country can achieve, is it ?
But I have learned from this thread that there was more to Bob than a stramash in the goalmouth, so fair do's.
To be fair to Wullie, most people who have no knowledge of Bob Crampsey (like me) attach his name to football.
Football and the old firm is hardly a glowing testimonial to the best our country can achieve, is it ?
But I have learned from this thread that there was more to Bob than a stramash in the goalmouth, so fair do's.
Posted by: hector on 1:40am Sun 3 Aug 08
Wilhelm.
Yer a disgrace.
Posted by: Reader on 1:41am Sun 3 Aug 08
Wilhelm/Wullie from Aberdeen is a knuckle dragging retard who should be put down.
Wilhelm/Wullie from Aberdeen is a knuckle dragging retard who should be put down.
Posted by: Iainbroch, Moray on 1:43am Sun 3 Aug 08
For those of us who heared him talk he was a gem.
A far more articulate man than most in public positions in present day Scottish life or inded in the present Scottish press and media.
We could all learn a little something from Bob Crampsie!
For those of us who heared him talk he was a gem.
A far more articulate man than most in public positions in present day Scottish life or inded in the present Scottish press and media.
We could all learn a little something from Bob Crampsie!
Posted by: Aghastathecheekofoth ers, Shockland on 1:50am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Wilhelm[/bold] wrote:
Yeah , watching rangers and celtic playing each other 67 times in the same season, Aye, its riveting stuff.[/quote] No it isn't, and if you really knew anything about Bob Crampsie you would know that he was more interested in non- old firm sport and issues. wilhelm, Wullie or whoever you are - give it a rest. negative comment ad infinitum, is boring, predictable, easy and thge resort of the lazy. Smart? NO!
Nobody loves you so go and eat worms!
Observer, you are far too intelligent to give any credence to Wilhelm, OK you might not be entirely au fait with fitba, understandable. But don't, please don't be taken in by Wilhelm. he is an arse.
Wilhelm wrote:
Yeah , watching rangers and celtic playing each other 67 times in the same season, Aye, its riveting stuff.
No it isn't, and if you really knew anything about Bob Crampsie you would know that he was more interested in non- old firm sport and issues. wilhelm, Wullie or whoever you are - give it a rest. negative comment ad infinitum, is boring, predictable, easy and thge resort of the lazy. Smart? NO!
Nobody loves you so go and eat worms!
Observer, you are far too intelligent to give any credence to Wilhelm, OK you might not be entirely au fait with fitba, understandable. But don't, please don't be taken in by Wilhelm. he is an arse.
Posted by: Aghastathecheekofoth ers, Shockland on 2:03am Sun 3 Aug 08
Eh?
In english so that we can all appreciate your heartfelt comment, please?
Eh?
In english so that we can all appreciate your heartfelt comment, please?
Posted by: Pat Kane, Glasgow on 8:19am Sun 3 Aug 08
Well done Tom - Bob Crampsey is one man who fully deserves to break your no-obituary rule. Bob was the headmaster of St. Ambrose secondary when my brother Greg and I were there in the late seventies. Greg tells the story of how he was once waiting in a side room to meet the Headie, and was struggling through a bit of Beethoven to while away the time. Bob comes out and sits down with him for 15 minutes, showing him how to play the more difficult bits. My memory of him at St. Ambrose - which with its Easterhouse and Coatbridge catchment, could be a wild old place at times - was that he created an environment where those who wanted to pursue knowledge and excellence could do so, and be given a protective environment as well. I benefitted from his superb Music department, which got me on the stage for various big-name musicals (West Side Story, Jesus Christ Superstar), and no doubt planted the seeds of future misdemeanours... And though I dodged the successful debating society, Mr Crampsey did help me get to the finals of an essay competition for Barclays Bank, which took me round Europe at the age of 17. To confirm what Tom says, in these discussions he treated you as someone whose ideas, if you held any at all, should be taken seriously and rigorously. He's the kind of Scot that makes you genuinely patriotic about the country - talented, humane, self-disciplined, a real "democratic intellect". More than a tear or two here at the Kane household for his passing.
Well done Tom - Bob Crampsey is one man who fully deserves to break your no-obituary rule. Bob was the headmaster of St. Ambrose secondary when my brother Greg and I were there in the late seventies. Greg tells the story of how he was once waiting in a side room to meet the Headie, and was struggling through a bit of Beethoven to while away the time. Bob comes out and sits down with him for 15 minutes, showing him how to play the more difficult bits. My memory of him at St. Ambrose - which with its Easterhouse and Coatbridge catchment, could be a wild old place at times - was that he created an environment where those who wanted to pursue knowledge and excellence could do so, and be given a protective environment as well. I benefitted from his superb Music department, which got me on the stage for various big-name musicals (West Side Story, Jesus Christ Superstar), and no doubt planted the seeds of future misdemeanours... And though I dodged the successful debating society, Mr Crampsey did help me get to the finals of an essay competition for Barclays Bank, which took me round Europe at the age of 17. To confirm what Tom says, in these discussions he treated you as someone whose ideas, if you held any at all, should be taken seriously and rigorously. He's the kind of Scot that makes you genuinely patriotic about the country - talented, humane, self-disciplined, a real "democratic intellect". More than a tear or two here at the Kane household for his passing.
Posted by: Ed Hummer, Glasgow on 8:55am Sun 3 Aug 08
Juancarlospablopierr e
I think Sos is what they put on their chips in Edinburgh. It certainly isn't Spanish, but then neither are you.
Juancarlospablopierr e
I think Sos is what they put on their chips in Edinburgh. It certainly isn't Spanish, but then neither are you.
Posted by: Alan, Languedoc on 9:07am Sun 3 Aug 08
Tom, I know nothing at all about the man you describe, but you remind us all of the enormous contribution made to society by dedicated teachers - often undervalued - and that Scotland still has the finest education system in the world......
Tom, I know nothing at all about the man you describe, but you remind us all of the enormous contribution made to society by dedicated teachers - often undervalued - and that Scotland still has the finest education system in the world......
Posted by: Wilhelm on 10:10am Sun 3 Aug 08
Joe 90
Thanks for that facinating and rivetting comment, son. Well at least it cured my insomnia. Its good to know you have spent your whole life in the british diplomatic service,shuffling paper clips from A to B, twiddling your thumbs,sitting on your backside and going to Chinese restaurants, eating Peking duck in Shanghai , all on the taxpayers expence then retiring to the south of France. Nice work if you can get it, eh ?
Just say yes and it will save everyones time, son.
Joe 90
Thanks for that facinating and rivetting comment, son. Well at least it cured my insomnia. Its good to know you have spent your whole life in the british diplomatic service,shuffling paper clips from A to B, twiddling your thumbs,sitting on your backside and going to Chinese restaurants, eating Peking duck in Shanghai , all on the taxpayers expence then retiring to the south of France. Nice work if you can get it, eh ?
Just say yes and it will save everyones time, son.
Posted by: Scot abroad, France on 10:24am Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Wilhelm[/bold] wrote:
Joe 90 Thanks for that facinating and rivetting comment, son. Well at least it cured my insomnia. Its good to know you have spent your whole life in the british diplomatic service,shuffling paper clips from A to B, twiddling your thumbs,sitting on your backside and going to Chinese restaurants, eating Peking duck in Shanghai , all on the taxpayers expence then retiring to the south of France. Nice work if you can get it, eh ? Just say yes and it will save everyones time, son. [/quote] Just give it a rest pal. This is a tribute to a fine man and you are ruining things with your inane drivel which is of no interest to anyone else here.
Wilhelm wrote:
Joe 90 Thanks for that facinating and rivetting comment, son. Well at least it cured my insomnia. Its good to know you have spent your whole life in the british diplomatic service,shuffling paper clips from A to B, twiddling your thumbs,sitting on your backside and going to Chinese restaurants, eating Peking duck in Shanghai , all on the taxpayers expence then retiring to the south of France. Nice work if you can get it, eh ? Just say yes and it will save everyones time, son.
Just give it a rest pal. This is a tribute to a fine man and you are ruining things with your inane drivel which is of no interest to anyone else here.
Posted by: Joe90, Out there on 10:26am Sun 3 Aug 08
Wilhelm, Wilhelm, Wilhelm.
I debated whether or not to respond to your pathetic (jealous?) gibe. You know nothing! You are a sad, ignorant man. If yu cannot see what I was saying, that is your loss and I am not going to explain further.
Wilhelm, Wilhelm, Wilhelm.
I debated whether or not to respond to your pathetic (jealous?) gibe. You know nothing! You are a sad, ignorant man. If yu cannot see what I was saying, that is your loss and I am not going to explain further.
Posted by: Wilhelm on 10:28am Sun 3 Aug 08
Scot buggered off to France says
''Just give it a rest pal.''
Im not your pal, the names Wilhelm and dont you forget it.
Scot buggered off to France says
''Just give it a rest pal.''
Im not your pal, the names Wilhelm and dont you forget it.
Posted by: Joe90 on 10:55am Sun 3 Aug 08
Wilhelm (Good Scottish name!)
And I'm NOT your son, thank god, and you are probably not German, so drop the sobriquet!
Wilhelm (Good Scottish name!)
And I'm NOT your son, thank god, and you are probably not German, so drop the sobriquet!
Posted by: Scotsgait, www.scotsgait.co.uk on 11:03am Sun 3 Aug 08
It's a shame that a tribute thread to such a fine man has been usurped by one self-centred idiot.
Perhaps we should all just ignore him and not rise to his flaming.
It's a shame that a tribute thread to such a fine man has been usurped by one self-centred idiot.
Perhaps we should all just ignore him and not rise to his flaming.
Posted by: Wilhelm on 1:41pm Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Scotsgait[/bold] wrote:
It\'s a shame that a tribute thread to such a fine man has been usurped by one self-centred idiot.
Perhaps we should all just ignore him and not rise to his flaming. [/quote] My point exactly. We should ignore Joe 90.
Scotsgait wrote:
It\'s a shame that a tribute thread to such a fine man has been usurped by one self-centred idiot.
Perhaps we should all just ignore him and not rise to his flaming.
My point exactly. We should ignore Joe 90.
Posted by: Aghastathecheekofoth ers, Shockland on 2:00pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Wilhelm - go away and leave this tribute to a gentleman for others who want pay respects and recall memories of the man. Not much to ask is it.
Wilhelm - go away and leave this tribute to a gentleman for others who want pay respects and recall memories of the man. Not much to ask is it.
Posted by: Jim, Irvine on 2:09pm Sun 3 Aug 08
I remember Bob Crampsey as a student teacher in Holyrood. His grasp of the English language
was quite apparent even in his early teaching.
The discourtious tones in some of the posts should not have been allowed.
He had an invaluable input to Scottish society
over the years. Many people of lesser value have been honoured; perhaps a retrospective honour is due to this man.He was a Legend.
I remember Bob Crampsey as a student teacher in Holyrood. His grasp of the English language
was quite apparent even in his early teaching.
The discourtious tones in some of the posts should not have been allowed.
He had an invaluable input to Scottish society
over the years. Many people of lesser value have been honoured; perhaps a retrospective honour is due to this man.He was a Legend.
Posted by: Andrew on 2:16pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Truly an amazing man. I met him once or twice and he inscribed 2 of his books for me---"Mr. Stein", and a lesser known one,"The Scottish Footballer".
I know he was "a Glasgow man" and his West of Scotland educational achievements have been highlighted. I know however that he also taught at a High School in Angus (Arbroath High?) because he mentioned it in one of his after-dinner speeches.
Pat Kane summed him up well, and if we are proud that he was a Scot, how sickened would we be to know that "Wilhelm" is also Scottish?
YER NO' FIT TAE LACE THE MAN'S BITS, SON
Truly an amazing man. I met him once or twice and he inscribed 2 of his books for me---"Mr. Stein", and a lesser known one,"The Scottish Footballer".
I know he was "a Glasgow man" and his West of Scotland educational achievements have been highlighted. I know however that he also taught at a High School in Angus (Arbroath High?) because he mentioned it in one of his after-dinner speeches.
Pat Kane summed him up well, and if we are proud that he was a Scot, how sickened would we be to know that "Wilhelm" is also Scottish?
YER NO' FIT TAE LACE THE MAN'S BITS, SON
Posted by: Clydesdale, Lanarkshire on 2:30pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Bob Crampsey was one of the nicest people you could wish to meet, one of the most articulate, and certainly one of the kindest. He was an authority on so many subjects from the American Civil War to Cricket, although to the wider world he will most probably be remembered for his connection to football. I was fortunate to meet with him on a number of occasions (he was always such an inspiring speaker) and Tom's article gives a wonderful testimony to his life story. But it greatly angers me, and I suspect a lot of others, when warped individuals like Wilhelm, chose this particular forum for point scoring and tasteless comments.
Bob Crampsey was one of the nicest people you could wish to meet, one of the most articulate, and certainly one of the kindest. He was an authority on so many subjects from the American Civil War to Cricket, although to the wider world he will most probably be remembered for his connection to football. I was fortunate to meet with him on a number of occasions (he was always such an inspiring speaker) and Tom's article gives a wonderful testimony to his life story. But it greatly angers me, and I suspect a lot of others, when warped individuals like Wilhelm, chose this particular forum for point scoring and tasteless comments.
Posted by: Aghastathecheekofoth ers, Shockland on 2:46pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Slag off the worship of football somewhere else then - try the Daily Retard, more like your level Wilhelm. Now just go away and leave this thread in peace.
Slag off the worship of football somewhere else then - try the Daily Retard, more like your level Wilhelm. Now just go away and leave this thread in peace.
Posted by: Rev. Stuart Campbell, Bath on 2:46pm Sun 3 Aug 08
[quote][bold]Wilhelm[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Aghastathecheekofoth ers[/bold] wrote:
Wilhelm - go away and leave this tribute to a gentleman for others who want pay respects and recall memories of the man. Not much to ask is it.[/quote] I want to make this perfectly clear for the numbskulls out there. Im not slagging off Bob Crampsey. Im slagging off the worship of football in Scotland. Comprende.[/quote] Then do it someplace else, you horrible little tool. There must be a dozen football threads that you could do your nasty little trolling routine in without disfiguring this heartfelt tribute to a great man.
Wilhelm wrote:
Aghastathecheekofoth ers wrote:
Wilhelm - go away and leave this tribute to a gentleman for others who want pay respects and recall memories of the man. Not much to ask is it.
I want to make this perfectly clear for the numbskulls out there. Im not slagging off Bob Crampsey. Im slagging off the worship of football in Scotland. Comprende.
Then do it someplace else, you horrible little tool. There must be a dozen football threads that you could do your nasty little trolling routine in without disfiguring this heartfelt tribute to a great man.
Posted by: Wilhelm on 2:50pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Reverend Camp
Thats not very Christian, vicar. Have you been to church today ?
Reverend Camp
Thats not very Christian, vicar. Have you been to church today ?
Posted by: Jim, Irvine on 3:15pm Sun 3 Aug 08
I must protest at allowing this person Wilhelm
to sully this thread. Perhaps he should have stayed in Manchester.
I must protest at allowing this person Wilhelm
to sully this thread. Perhaps he should have stayed in Manchester.
Posted by: Mark Boyle, Johnstone on 3:25pm Sun 3 Aug 08
Bob Crampsey, the lifelong Queens Park supporter that still found time to contribute articles for the annual review for their rivals Third Lanark - and who cursed the footballing authorities to his dying day for letting them go under when half of Glasgow knew what was going on at Cathkin & why.
Definitely the last of a kind, whose passion for football at all levels and that it should never forget its roots if it were to survive and thrive remains an inspiration to anyone in Scotland that loves the beautiful game.
Bob Crampsey, the lifelong Queens Park supporter that still found time to contribute articles for the annual review for their rivals Third Lanark - and who cursed the footballing authorities to his dying day for letting them go under when half of Glasgow knew what was going on at Cathkin & why.
Definitely the last of a kind, whose passion for football at all levels and that it should never forget its roots if it were to survive and thrive remains an inspiration to anyone in Scotland that loves the beautiful game.
Posted by: Reader on 3:28pm Sun 3 Aug 08
That is an insult to Rangers supporters to compare them to the knuckle dragging buffoon Wilhelm/Wullie. He should be banned from the Herald sites.
That is an insult to Rangers supporters to compare them to the knuckle dragging buffoon Wilhelm/Wullie. He should be banned from the Herald sites.
Posted by: Wilhelm on 8:53pm Mon 4 Aug 08
Rangers supporters are knuckle dragging buffoons they should be banned.
Well done reader.
Rangers supporters are knuckle dragging buffoons they should be banned.
Well done reader.